Pictures without model release form


posted on 22nd of july, 2011

Alright, so I have some nice pictures or at least I like to think they are, of people fishing, fixing nets, kayaking,, etc but I don't have a MR for them as I took most of the pictures abroad and I never suspected some day I would be uploading them to a micro-stock site.
So what can one do with them, are they completely lost?
Also in the same topic I just don't feel now like going out asking people to sing a MR for, I feel too embarrassed to ask...is this also an issue for any of you that it refrains you from taking some kind of pictures?
Thanks for comments.

Cheers!

Comments (11)

Posted by Lucianox on July 23, 2011
Excellent, that's what I should start doing, askign friends and family to model then see.
There are some other casual pictures that you cannot go asking people to sign a MR, when there are too many people in a place, fairs, markets, etc. I suppose they qualify as editorials by default, right?
Posted by Tan510jomast on July 23, 2011
to answer your latest impression :
1) editorials are merely anything that is of interest to newspapers,etc. fishing is relevant, as it can be used in hobby editorials.
2) models are not always "not free". you have friends that you can invite to pose as models in exchange for photographs. you can easily get them to sign a MR.

in my early days of photography, i got my first models at the local drinking hole..via getting my drinking pals to model for me in exchange for a pint at the pub. you will be surprised how willing your friends or family can be.

hope this helps.
Posted by Dark3y3s on July 23, 2011
I'll answer the second part of your article. At first, I felt as well a bit akward when requesting the models to sign the release. This occured because they didn't exactly understand why I was asking that and because I was new I didn't know how to explain it clearly. But now I ask each and every model to sign an release, even if I don't upload the photos to microstock sites, just as a safety measure. If they agree to upload the images for sale, I ask them to sign 2 or 3 more releases, corresponding to each site. And this is how I got used to giving model releases to be signed :)

In conclusion, you should not feel embarrassed. Talk to the model beforehand, tell him/her what you expect from the photosession and ask if they agree to see the photos on commercials, sites and so on. If they agree, explain them why do they have to sign that model release. It's not something to be embarrassed about. :)

Good luck!
Posted by Lucianox on July 23, 2011
I see, editorial is supposed to be something relevant, actual and in vogue let's say...
I suppose I'll have to stick for the momento to still life, landscape and objects until I dare to start working with models. It certainly widens your horizon, I've been thinking some good ideas but all need models and they are not free!
Thanks guys for the advices.

Cheers.
Posted by Rolmat on July 23, 2011
Hi, this would be the most appropriate advice I read here:

"You can upload them as editorial. But you need to make sure in your description that you include additional information as to why it is editorial, the date, and location of the image." (Verdelho).

Please note that not all submissions to the Editorial section (or moved from RF section for lack of MR/PR documentation) will be accepted, as the main purpose of such imagery is to provide newsworthy contents. Hope this clarifies this issue.
Posted by Rosedarc on July 22, 2011
You've got some very nice photos in your portfolio, I think it won't take you too much time to build it and then it won't feel such a waste if you can't use older photos. In any case, as stated below you can try for editorial, but my advice is do it slowly, a few photos at a time so that you learn what is acceptable for DT as Editorial and what is not, and so that you don't blow your acceptance ratio. Good luck!
Posted by Tan510jomast on July 22, 2011
You can try re-staging the scene and work with a model . Then Photoshop the people , who are now your subject with signed Model Release.
It can be a lot of work, re-staging the lighting,etc.. and depending on your Photoshopping skill, it may or may not be worth the time, or successful to make that composite.
But I 've seen some really awesome composite done by people who are very good at Photoshop. Just an idea.
Posted by Livingstonatlarge on July 22, 2011
It is kind of hard to go and ask strangers for an MR. You just have to do it. Look as friendly and confident as possible. Like you do it everyday. And if they say "no" be very nice.

The first person I ever asked said no because he was a repair man for some super expensive items that start with an R and end with an X and he didn't want that well known which made perfect sense to me. Since then I have only had a few people say no and that usually involved children. When people ask what they are for I say I am working on a project. (Which I am. My first project is to upload 100 images.) It's easier to explain that what stock is.

After a while it gets to be old hat and you grow a thicker skin and a bigger portfolio.
Posted by Verdelho on July 22, 2011
You can upload them as editorial. But you need to make sure in your description that you include additional information as to why it is editorial, the date, and location of the image.
Posted by Alerizzo78 on July 22, 2011
Managing to talk to strangers and ask for permission to take pictures of them is probably one of the most difficult obstacles a photographer can face. Many pro photographers have written about this. So, I think this is an issue for the vast majority of DT users as well. Me included of course :)
In any case, as Dgphotographic said, you can try to upload them as editorial. In that case you don't need a model release, but there are restriction to the use a buyer can do with this kind of pictures, so that could limit sales potential for those photos.
Good luck! ;)
Posted by Dgphotographic on July 22, 2011
I think you can upload them as an editorial image with out an MR.
Dave



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